Transcript: June 15th, 2012—Steampunk vs the Other Punks

With @SelestedeLaney and @Jenny_Schwartz hosting, “Steampunk vs the Other Punks” explored the punk attitude and its expression in different eras and with different technologies, from biopunk to dieselpunk and not forgetting cyberpunk. There was a fleeting sighting of something called Mythpunk, though those legendary creatures might be…well…a myth.

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DelilahSDawson Aw, man. While I was out drinking Italian margaritas and eating cupcakes, I totally missed the uber-punky#steampunkchat! =( -9:25 PM Jun 15th, 2012

chrissyannb Read The #SteampunkChat Daily onhttp://t.co/Xm6vp7Zo -8:47 PM Jun 15th, 2012

eldritchengines One more suggestion that’s somewhere between atomicpunk and dieselpunk: Wings of Honneamise. Excellent anime.#steampunkchat -7:09 PM Jun 15th, 2012

LiaKeyes RT @artificer13: G’nite all, it’s been lovely, thanks to@Jenny_Schwartz & @SelestedeLaney for hosting tonite’s#steampunkchat -7:08 PM Jun 15th, 2012

eldritchengines @artificer13 If you really want it to be biodegradable, go for woodpunk. All wood machines! 😀 #steampunkchat -7:07 PM Jun 15th, 2012

Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 @SelestedeLaney We did our best to live up to your high standard, Host-Extraordinaire 🙂 ‘Night#steampunkchat -7:07 PM Jun 15th, 2012

artificer13 G’nite all, it’s been lovely, thanks to @Jenny_Schwartz &@SelestedeLaney for hosting tonite’s #steampunkchat -7:06 PM Jun 15th, 2012

eldritchengines @artificer13 True, but that’s a matter of scale, not “this exists now and didn’t before”. #steampunkchat -7:06 PM Jun 15th, 2012

artificer13 @eldritchengines But not the gigantic mountains of garbage that deform our landscape as new “Mountains”…#middenVSMountain #steampunkchat -7:05 PM Jun 15th, 2012

Jenny_Schwartz @MDKenning Well, don’t sacrifice game night … but now and then a little #steampunkchat is good for the soul -7:04 PM Jun 15th, 2012

MDKenning @Jenny_Schwartz This is normally my game night, but I will do what I can. 🙂 #steampunkchat -7:04 PM Jun 15th, 2012

eldritchengines Reminds me, really should trademark the term “Reaganpunk” just in case…or not. #steampunkchat -7:03 PM Jun 15th, 2012

SelestedeLaney #steampunkchat Also, if I didn’t catch you to follow, please poke me. A little overwhelmed with life tonight 😉 -7:02 PM Jun 15th, 2012

RichardEPreston @artificer13 @eldritchengines Yes! Good point!##steampunkchat -7:02 PM Jun 15th, 2012

Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney ’Night 🙂 #steampunkchat -7:02 PM Jun 15th, 2012

artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney Pleased as punch, thanks for hosting this evening’s #steampunkchat -7:02 PM Jun 15th, 2012

eldritchengines @artificer13 We do generate more trash now, but humanity’s always been pretty wanton about stuff. 😀 #steampunkchat -7:02 PM Jun 15th, 2012

SelestedeLaney Okay all, I have to take off. Thanks for a great chat 🙂 #steampunkchat -7:01 PM Jun 15th, 2012

Jenny_Schwartz @MDKenning Lovely to meet you, & hope you’ll be back, too 🙂 #steampunkchat -7:01 PM Jun 15th, 2012

RichardEPreston @eldritchengines yep! #steampunkchat -7:01 PM Jun 15th, 2012

eldritchengines @artificer13 And yet archaeologists still dig up ancient piles of trash. 😀 #steampunkchat -7:01 PM Jun 15th, 2012

RichardEPreston RT @Jenny_Schwartz: Our brilliant cohost wrote Badlands http://t.co/X53DAgUj One of my fave covers#Steampunkchat & great story -7:01 PM Jun 15th, 2012

MDKenning Good to meet you guys, hope to be back!#steampunkchat -7:00 PM Jun 15th, 2012

RichardEPreston @SelestedeLaney @jenny_schwartz Seleste thnxs for cohosting! #steampunkchat -7:00 PM Jun 15th, 2012

eldritchengines just a quick plug since we are at the end here. Even if you hate it, leave a review. 😀 http://t.co/NHkmRtFu#steampunkchat #dieselpunk -7:00 PM Jun 15th, 2012

Lord_Hot_Dogg RT @SelestedeLaney: Also, you guys should read@Jenny_Schwartz‘s Wanted: One Scoundrel. Aussie steampunk romance <3 #steampunkchat -7:00 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 RT @SelestedeLaney: Also, you guys should read@Jenny_Schwartz‘s Wanted: One Scoundrel. Aussie steampunk romance <3 #steampunkchat -6:59 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 RT @Jenny_Schwartz: Our brilliant cohost wrote Badlandshttp://t.co/X53DAgUj One of my fave covers #Steampunkchat & great story -6:59 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @eldritchengines No, people still sucked, but necessity dictated that items were used to the point of destruction.#steampunkchat -6:59 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney Thanks for coming everyone! And thank you,@Jenny_Schwartz for letting me co-host with you! *hugs*#steampunkchat -6:59 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Siri_Paulson You’re back! & you did yr bit in thought provoking. Thank you #steampunkchat -6:59 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @RichardEPreston 70s dystopian sci-fi would make a great basis for retro-futurist works, too. #steampunkchat -6:58 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Thanks @SelestedeLaney for fabulous hosting!#steampunkchat -6:58 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson #steampunkchat Sorry for disappearing, guys. Thanks for a thought-provoking chat, as always! -6:58 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz The official #steampunkchat is drawing to a close, but feel free to keep chatting. Otherwise, see you next week! -6:58 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Thanks 🙂 #steampunkchat -6:57 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Our brilliant cohost wrote Badlandshttp://t.co/X53DAgUj One of my fave covers #Steampunkchat & great story -6:57 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Awesome! I look forward to it. *debates upping the romance factor in the YA* LOL #steampunkchat-6:56 PM Jun 15th, 2012 RichardEPreston RT @SelestedeLaney: Also, you guys should read@Jenny_Schwartz‘s Wanted: One Scoundrel. Aussie steampunk romance <3 #steampunkchat -6:56 PM Jun 15th, 2012 RichardEPreston @MDKenning sounds cool #steampunkchat -6:56 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney I’m not sure, but I’ve been reading editors/pub’ers & I’m thinking something is in the wind…#steampunkchat -6:55 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney Also, you guys should read @Jenny_Schwartz‘s Wanted: One Scoundrel. Aussie steampunk romance <3#steampunkchat -6:55 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Lord_Hot_Dogg #steampunkfathersday is intriguing. Tell us more #steampunkchat -6:55 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Lord_Hot_Dogg #BustlePunkChronicles #steampunkchat#SteamPunkFathersDay! @Jenny_Schwartz -6:54 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz RT @MDKenning: http://t.co/hidhV5aM 3#steampunkchat clockpunk fantasy. Think venice with airships and air pirates -6:54 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @eldritchengines It’s not a myth when people spent a far larger % of their “income” on food than today. #steampunkchat -6:54 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @eldritchengines @artificer13 But in previous times, really was disposable/recycled. Now you see our junk forever#steampunkchat -6:54 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning http://t.co/hidhV5aM 3 #steampunkchat clockpunk fantasy. Think venice with airships and air pirates -6:54 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @Jenny_Schwartz Too long to post here, but commonalities: http://t.co/siatDcgM #steampunkchat -6:54 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz But will it say things that haven’t been said? Not dismissing it because I <3 romanced-punks, but… ?#steampunkchat -6:54 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney I think the romance authors will actually add a twist to SF punks soon…just a feeling#steampunkchat -6:53 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @artificer13 And that feeds the myth that people in any other time were less inclined to “disposable” culture.#steampunkchat -6:53 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney And as such it’s going to take a while before we see them take off again. #steampunkchat -6:52 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney I think the more “futuristic” punks are going through a stage of redefining themselves in order to say something new.#steampunkchat -6:52 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @Jenny_Schwartz I generally try to avoid disdain for anything. Except, well, disdain. 😀 #steampunkchat -6:52 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @MDKenning Self-promo in last few minutes of#steampunkchat is invited! -6:52 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Any commonalities with the punks?#steampunkchat Or vital points of difference? -6:52 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @artificer13 Most of the time, were put together by masses of faceless workers, not artisans. That’s not really handmade. #steampunkchat -6:51 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @Jenny_Schwartz is self promo accepted? lol#steampunkchat -6:51 PM Jun 15th, 2012 RichardEPreston @Jenny_Schwartz Thanks for hosting Jenny! And if you had help thanks to him\her too! #steampunkchat -6:51 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @SelestedeLaney Exactly! “Disposable” culture means that nothing has any “Value” other than cost. @eldritchengines#steampunkchat -6:51 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Last thoughts on the various punks …#steampunkchat -6:51 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 @eldritchenginesWhat do you see as the diff between MASS produced and merely assembled? #steampunkchat -6:51 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 @eldritchengines Like that distinction between produced and merely assembled. #steampunkchat Such disdain 😉 -6:50 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney LOL <3 RT @Jenny_Schwartz: & yes, I have no class, inviting promo as you all crit consumerism #steampunkchat -6:50 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @RichardEPreston I’ll look it up. Hadn’t heard of Logans Run #steampunkchat -6:49 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney Saw Steam-Powered Giraffe at World Steam Expo. Worth seeing if you haven’t. #steampunkchat -6:49 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @eldritchengines Things were produced, but still hand crafted in many cases, unlike today where things are merely assembled. #steampunkchat -6:49 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz & yes, I have no class, inviting promo as you all crit consumerism #steampunkchat -6:49 PM Jun 15th, 2012 RichardEPreston @Jenny_Schwartz suggest Michael York Logans Run movie as hippiepunk prototype -anything hopelessly locked in the 60s-70s lol #steampunkchat -6:49 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz I don’t know how time sped up, but nearly to end of chat. Chance for promo #steampunkchat Any ‘punk book/movie/band etc. Go for it! -6:48 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @eldritchengines mass prod. leads to consumerism. So I think you’re kind of saying the same thing in diff ways@artificer13 #steampunkchat -6:48 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz <3 this. “Punks create their world as a contrast to their surroundings”. @SelestedeLaney #steampunkchat-6:48 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @Jenny_Schwartz i have no ides, part of what scares me lol. VR mixed with LSD? #steampunkchat -6:47 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Hippiepunk RT @SelestedeLaney: Mental alterations to encourage peace and love. But it’s done for nefarious purposes ?#steampunkchat -6:47 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @artificer13 Its core is in the era (remember, the era when mass production really took off). Or is that the supposed irony? #steampunkchat -6:47 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Mental alterations to encourage peace and love. But it’s done for nefarious purposes. ?#steampunkchat -6:47 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney Thx for warning. Will read in daylight hours. Yes, I’m a wuss #steampunkchat -6:46 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @MDKenning Hmm how could #hippiepunk work?#steampunkchat Any definitions, anyone? -6:46 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz LOL Thanks 🙂 You’re going to love book 2 then. Scarier 😉 And the puma’s back 😛 #steampunkchat-6:46 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @Jenny_Schwartz I actually have a few ideas for retro-futurist stuff based around that era. #steampunkchat -6:46 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning I do not know why, but the idea of hippie punk scares me. #steampunkchat -6:45 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney I loved the scary clockworks in Badlands #steampunkchat Skipping politics to go to fangirl moment 🙂 -6:45 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @eldritchengines I disagree. SP, at it’s core, is dis-satisfaction with what we’re being sold every day.= #consumerism /#steampunkchat -6:45 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @eldritchengines You know people would sign up to#Reagenpunk ? Be very careful! #steampunkchat -6:44 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz They’re transient & killable. In book 2, the clockworks have a human base. So are you still killing a machine #steampunkchat -6:44 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz So many great new punk ideas! #steampunkchat-6:44 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines I think I’m going to start a new movement rooted in early 80s sci-fi. I call it Reaganpunk. #steampunkchat -6:44 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Yes. I said a while back that the clockworks in Badlands represent almost the passage of time, death… (c) #steampunkchat -6:43 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @eldritchengines Not for all of us. My egg-white mohawk is gone & I’m old, but I’m not buying the BS they’re all selling us.#steampunkchat -6:43 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning RT @RichardEPreston: @Jenny_Schwartz Lol! Wasnt Edward Scissorhands sorta Suburbanpunk?? #steampunkchat -6:43 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @artificer13 The steampunk movement especially replaced “anger” with elitism and cliquishness. Present company excluded. #steampunkchat -6:43 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @RichardEPreston *grin* Dear Edward in a minivan! Priceless #steampunkchat -6:42 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney I guess, punks look at the world they create to contrast & say something about being human#steampunkchat -6:42 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @artificer13 The *punk suffix lost that supposed “anger” (not there much in the first place) a long, long time ago.#steampunkchat -6:42 PM Jun 15th, 2012 RichardEPreston @Jenny_Schwartz Lol! Wasnt Edward Scissorhands sorta Suburbanpunk?? #steampunkchat -6:42 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Lord_Hot_Dogg @artificer13 #minivanpunk Love it! Sign me up…though not to drive a minvan #steampunkchat -6:41 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz -gets popular, that style or genre can still have valid things to say. #steampunkchat-6:41 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Lord_Hot_Dogg “@Jenny_Schwartz: @artificer13 LOL we’ll start the SuburbanPunk movement! #Steampunkchat” #MinivanPunk? -6:41 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @eldritchengines Punk is abt anger/frustration w/your situation. If you’re not cheesed-off, it doesn’t work@Jenny_Schwartz #steampunkchat -6:40 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @eldritchengines Same here. I’m all for the steam and the corsets, less so for the punk. 😉 #steampunkchat -6:40 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Not sure if I understand you, but as a for instance, Blade Runner… the machines are almost MORE human #steampunkchat -6:40 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @eldritchengines I think that cynicism & testing of punk is part of it, and renews it #steampunkchat -6:40 PM Jun 15th, 2012 RichardEPreston @Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 Egad you guys have been busy – Im going to go read your tweets for a bit to catch up lol#steampunkchat -6:40 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 LOL we’ll start the SuburbanPunk movement! #Steampunkchat -6:40 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jkcoi I like that insight RT @SelestedeLaney But I think most Punks seek to define humanity to a degree #steampunkchat@Jenny_Schwartz -6:39 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney I feel like yes, the divisions are often a major part of the story. Way to explore them.#steampunkchat -6:39 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney Defining humanity against the other elements of each punk world maybe? ie bio/genetic diesel/war? #steampunkchat -6:39 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz Call it the residual punk left in me, even as I sit in my suburban home. 😉 #steampunkchat -6:39 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @Jenny_Schwartz Lately I’ve gotten cynical about the theoretical *punk attitude. I don’t have much of it, really. I’m weak.#steampunkchat -6:38 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz #steampunkchat RT @eldritchengines: #dieselpunkthe appropriation of a past era’s styles & culture to combine it with modern sensibilities -6:38 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @RichardEPreston Welcome aboard! @Jenny_Schwartz#steampunkchat -6:38 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 Yep, that beats my polite “defanged” 🙂 #steampunkchat -6:37 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Trying to define humanity w/i a world of machines. But I think most Punks seek to define humanity to a degree #steampunkchat -6:37 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @RichardEPreston @artificer13 Late’s fine…missing us entirely…then we’d hunt you down 🙂 Welcome! #steampunkchat-6:37 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Well, my experience with cyberpunk is it’s usually a very man versus machine (or man-machine) fight #steampunkchat -6:37 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @eldritchengines I like the cynicism 😉 #Steampunkchat -6:36 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz I believe the term is “taking all the piss and vinegar out of it”. #ItsNotPunkAnymoreWhenItsSoldAtTheMall#steampunkchat -6:36 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz RT @eldritchengines: @Jenny_Schwartz That, or the subculture never had as many fangs as the originators thought.#steampunkchat -6:36 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Siri_Paulson @SelestedeLaney Do the various punks make divisions explicit? major part of conflict?#steampunkchat -6:35 PM Jun 15th, 2012 RichardEPreston @Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 Hi all – man I hate working Friday nights – late to the #steampunkchat ! -6:35 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @Jenny_Schwartz That, or the subculture never had as many fangs as the originators thought. #steampunkchat -6:35 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning RT @Jenny_Schwartz: @artificer13 No, mainstream culture seems to catch up, absorb and defang subcultures#steampunkchat -6:34 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson #steampunkchat @SelestedeLaney said division — that’s my impression too — very stratified. Socio-economic, subcultures, etc. -6:34 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 No, mainstream culture seems to catch up, absorb and defang subcultures #steampunkchat -6:33 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz Then it works, as a joke. I was there for t/end of t/orig. punk era in the US, not much of it anymore… 🙁 #steampunkchat -6:32 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Siri_Paulson Yes! that whole spec fiction thing. Punks at the heart, or maybe orbiting wildly #Steampunkchat -6:32 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Lord_Hot_Dogg RT @Jenny_Schwartz: @artificer13 Mentioning Victorian Era seems to work best in explaining steampunk to “outsiders” 🙂 #steampunkchat -6:32 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @jkcoi I would agree at think at least isolation, or confrontations with things that out match them appears in a lot of punk #steampunkchat -6:32 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Lord_Hot_Dogg RT @Jenny_Schwartz: #mythpunk Myth re-tellings, with attitude. Is alienation part of all punks? #steampunkchat -6:32 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Lord_Hot_Dogg RT @Jenny_Schwartz: What about other punks? Who had heard of #mythpunk ? http://t.co/WAyqosih Was new to me#steampunkchat -6:31 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @artificer13 I wondered that too, but I couldn’t exactly put my finger on “why” I felt that way. #steampunkchat -6:31 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @Jenny_Schwartz Today’s issues through different lenses – very much yes. Though that’s speculative fiction generally.#steampunkchat -6:31 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 I think you’re right & it started as a jokish thing about punk proliferation #Steampunkchat #mythpunk-6:31 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz I think that’s a really interesting way of looking at it. #steampunkchat -6:31 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz It’s new on me, & doesn’t need t/label “punk”, it seem to be just fantasy, unless I’m missing something.#steampunkchat -6:30 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @SelestedeLaney yeah think 15th-17th century era max. More doublets, and early privateer era clothes#steampunkchat -6:30 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @MDKenning I like that “exploring” aspect of all the punks. Looking at today’s issues thru different lenses#steampunkchat -6:30 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Lord_Hot_Dogg RT @Jenny_Schwartz: Have you seen the images for Diesel City? Love ‘em #steampunkchat http://t.co/fol8cMeh -6:29 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 Mentioning Victorian Era seems to work best in explaining steampunk to “outsiders” 🙂 #steampunkchat -6:29 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz I’m not sure about alienation, but definitely division. #steampunkchat -6:29 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @Jenny_Schwartz I like this for all the punks (excluding bio and cyber although some of those novels take place pre 2012)#steampunkchat -6:28 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jkcoi Never heard of #mythpunk RT @Jenny_Schwartz #mythpunkMyth re-tellings, with attitude. Is alienation part of all punks?#steampunkchat -6:28 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz But which future, & whose past? I stick to Victoriana as a framework, as a timeframe if not a country.#steampunkchat -6:28 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz #mythpunk Myth re-tellings, with attitude. Is alienation part of all punks? #steampunkchat -6:27 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @MDKenning So similar but older almost? Less tech more flash? #steampunkchat -6:27 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz What about other punks? Who had heard of#mythpunk ? http://t.co/WAyqosih Was new to me #steampunkchat-6:27 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @MDKenning @SelestedeLaney Rapiers and steampunk *happiness* #steampunkchat -6:26 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @MDKenning Another example. A lot of #cyberpunkhas a bit of a noir feel to it. Very dark & brooding. Trenchcoats are popular #steampunkchat -6:26 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Re definitions. I love something I read once (forget ref) said, “the future imagined in the past” Works for me#steampunkchat -6:25 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @SelestedeLaney The clockpunk I know of is more ren inspired, looser clothes, swashbuckling based, rapiers and muskets.#steampunkchat -6:25 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 So true. Definitions are tough. What’s in? What’s out? #steampunkchat -6:25 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 One of t/awkward bits of SP is that we can’t seem to settle on an actual definition, so it’s hard to compare vs other punks#steampunkchat -6:24 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Have you seen the images for Diesel City? Love ‘em#steampunkchat http://t.co/fol8cMeh -6:23 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @MDKenning Clothes. Things. General feel to the world. (ex: bustles, corsets, goggles, airships…people think steampunk) #steampunkchat -6:22 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @eldritchengines That’s fine! in host-mode, I take no excuses 😉 Definition, pls #steampunkchat -6:22 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @SelestedeLaney what aspects of aesthetics?#steampunkchat -6:21 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Siri_Paulson Yeah. Aren’t those lists huge? 🙂 #steampunkchat -6:21 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines @Jenny_Schwartz Honestly, I think at times I’m more diesel than punk. #steampunkchat -6:21 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @Jenny_Schwartz LOL. I’ll add it to my list of doom, too.#steampunkchat -6:21 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @eldritchengines Yes! Tell us about #dieselpunk#Steampunkchat in 140 charas LOL -6:20 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz *snort* RT @artificer13: Really??! When I’m cloned I’m going to rob rather a lot of banks. #SetYourSightsHigher ;)#steampunkchat -6:20 PM Jun 15th, 2012 eldritchengines Checking back in on Twitter. Did I miss anything?#steampunkchat -6:20 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney What about aesthetics? We’re all familiar with the basics of steampunk aesthetics, but what about the others?#steampunkchat -6:19 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz Really??! When I’m cloned I’m going to rob rather a lot of banks. #SetYourSightsHigher 😉 @SelestedeLaney#steampunkchat -6:19 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @SelestedeLaney Oooh, I like that distinction. Or stopping localized war before it gets any bigger. #steampunkchat-6:19 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Siri_Paulson I was hoping you’d volunteer to write it, and I’d read it! Jazz Age flapper punk #steampunkchat -6:19 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @Jenny_Schwartz Jazz Age flapper dieselpunk? I don’t know, but I’d read it! #steampunkchat -6:18 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @SelestedeLaney the exception being @cmpriest‘s clockwork century, but the war there is a backdrop more than a “feature” #steampunkchat -6:18 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Glad to know I’m not the only one with one of those lists 😛 #steampunkchat -6:18 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Lord_Hot_Dogg RT @Jenny_Schwartz: Truth! RT @artificer13: That’s why we’re nerds. #NonStopImaginations #steampunkchat -6:18 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jkcoi You have to write that! 🙂 RT @Jenny_Schwartz For #dieselpunkhas anyone written a Jazz Age punkish flapper? #steampunkchat-6:18 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney LOL Adds to my huge “when I’m cloned” list #steampunkchat -6:18 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Truth! RT @artificer13: That’s why we’re nerds.#NonStopImaginations #steampunkchat -6:17 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Nope. That one’s all you 😉 #steampunkchat -6:17 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @becadroit @artificer13 Got to agree!#steampunkchat -6:17 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @artificer13 Exactly. Most steampunk that deals with war (that I’ve read) is more about killing it before it starts.#steampunkchat -6:17 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz That’s why we’re nerds.#NonStopImaginations #steampunkchat -6:17 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz For #dieselpunk has anyone written a Jazz Age punkish flapper? #steampunkchat -6:16 PM Jun 15th, 2012 becadroit Hi there, I think good world building is a feature of good writing & getting the details right. @artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz#steampunkchat -6:16 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @SelestedeLaney agreed. #Dieselpunk‘s era encapsulates two WW’s (and their possible fictional extensions) very distopian#steampunkchat -6:16 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jkcoi Great way to put it 🙂 RT @artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz world building is a feature of all true “nerdisms” punk or otherwise#steampunkchat -6:15 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 Strong argument in favour of “Nerds have the best imaginations” #steampunkchat -6:15 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz RT @artificer13: @Jenny_Schwartz I think world building is a feature of all true “nerdisms”, punk or otherwise.#steampunkchat -6:14 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @artificer13 Hmm, interesting distinction, and I agree steampunk often doesn’t have that. #steampunkchat -6:14 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Siri_Paulson To a degree. Or alt-world. I wrote a YA post-apocalyptic dystopian with #cyberpunk elements LOL#steampunkchat -6:14 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz I think world building is a feature of all true “nerdisms”, punk or otherwise. #steampunkchat -6:14 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @artificer13 I can see that. What with the era and all. War within steampunk tends to be…more localized if that makes sense #steampunkchat -6:13 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @jkcoi And that’s why we ended up antho sisters 🙂 #steampunkchat -6:13 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz Very much agree. The background is very rich and compelling indeed. @SelestedeLaney @Meljean#steampunkchat #ironduke -6:13 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @SelestedeLaney I’Dwould agree. Iremember when the web was sci fi #steampunkchat -6:13 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @SelestedeLaney That’s exactly why I was wondering — has cyberpunk turned into near-future SF generally?#steampunkchat -6:13 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jkcoi Oh I hope so. Love that the most!! RT @Jenny_SchwartzActually, is vivid world building a feature of all ‘punk?#steampunkchat -6:13 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @jkcoi I agree: Story trumps everything#steampunkchat -6:13 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Actually, is vivid world building a feature of all ‘punk? #steampunkchat -6:12 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Siri_Paulson For me #dieselpunk always seems more distopian & warlike, where steampunk doesn’t necessarily need that element #steampunkchat -6:12 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning @artificer13 had not heard that one before. more used to the tv.tropes and wikipedia definition. #steampunkchat -6:12 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 @SelestedeLaney @Meljean It’s the vivid world building that hooked me #IronDuke #steampunkchat -6:12 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Siri_Paulson Also, I think #cyberpunk is hard because there are so many advances in computers and related tech NOW. #steampunkchat -6:11 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Siri_Paulson Calling @JeanetteLGrey to answer: Is#cyberpunk still around? #steampunkchat -6:11 PM Jun 15th, 2012 LiaKeyes RT @Jenny_Schwartz: Oops. Forgot to reshare the cheat sheet of punks http://t.co/aNERGPju #steampunkchat -6:11 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Siri_Paulson I don’t think it’s dead, it’s just not as visible b/c steampunk is getting most of the attention.#steampunkchat -6:10 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson @artificer13 Well, yes. But to me it has very much the same flavour as steampunk proper. Maybe haven’t read enough though. #steampunkchat -6:10 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz and it’s quite smashing so far!#IronDuke @SelestedeLaney #steampunkchat @Meljean -6:10 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jkcoi .@Jenny_Schwartz Like w/ everything other genre, most just want a good story, so probably don’t care. But maybe some do care#steampunkchat -6:10 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney For instance, there’s a type of bio-cyber-punk element to Clockwork Mafia (but not really LOL) #steampunkchat-6:10 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @MDKenning V. True! Although as @Jenny_Schwartzpoints out, that may more properly be called “Da Vinci punk” or similar. #steampunkchat -6:10 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning RT @jkcoi: Im going to go out on a limb and say that most of the punks are bleeding into each other in todays lit#steampunkchat -6:10 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson #steampunkchat Is cyberpunk a dead genre now? Or is it still floating around somewhere? -6:09 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney There is a blurring IMO, and some die-hard genre-lovers care, but I don’t think casual readers do. #steampunkchat-6:09 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Oops. Forgot to reshare the cheat sheet of punkshttp://t.co/vsBhTu1a #steampunkchat -6:09 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @jkcoi Is there a blurring of the punk lines? & do readers care? #steampunkchat -6:08 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Siri_Paulson I actually disagree. #Dieselpunk is a different era WW1 thru the late 1940s. #steampunkchat -6:08 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz RT @jkcoi: I’m going to go out on a limb and say that most of the punks are bleeding into each other in today’s lit#steampunkchat -6:08 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 @SelestedeLaney Iron Duke was the one! Lucky duck with a signed copy 😉 #steampunkchat -6:08 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney Very much so RT @jkcoi: Im going to go out on a limb & say that most of the punks are bleeding into each other in todays lit #steampunkchat -6:08 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney There’s “Iron Duke” with it’s nanobots, and “Whitechapel Gods” as well #biopunk#steampunkchat -6:07 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Siri_Paulson We’re sisters! the Jazz Age aspect of#dieselpunk appeals to me #steampunkchat -6:07 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz Right. Kady Cross’s YA series uses a type of #biopunk within the #steampunk world #steampunkchat-6:07 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @MDKenning @artificer13 What could you call Renaissance punk? DaVincipunk? #steampunkchat -6:07 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jkcoi I’m going to go out on a limb and say that most of the punks are bleeding into each other in today’s lit #steampunkchat -6:07 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson #steampunkchat Oh, and dieselpunk (arguably still more steampunk than anything else) -6:06 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney Genetic manipulation sneaks into steampunk too…trying to think of examples #steampunkchat#biopunk -6:06 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning Although @artificer13 there is clockpunk that is more Renaissance based, and thats different. 🙂 #steampunkchat -6:06 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Siri_Paulson Also a fan of #bustlepunk#steampunkchat -6:06 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @jkcoi Woot! welcome 🙂 #Steampunkchat -6:05 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @Siri_Paulson LOL I love #bustlepunk All those frivolous fun things & fashion 🙂 #Steampunkchat -6:05 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jkcoi Oh hey, I’m actually on time for a #steampunkchat! 🙂 -6:05 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz I’ve always referred to it as a Glasgow Handshake, but the meaning is the same. #steampunkchat#headbutt -6:05 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney Bio punk (as far as my understanding at this point) deals with genetic manipulation and the implications of that technology #steampunkchat -6:05 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @MDKenning Brilliant! #clockworkpunk meet#steampunkchat -6:04 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Siri_Paulson #steampunkchat Bustlepunk = “steampunk for girls” (ahem) -6:04 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 I’ll go on record saying clock, brass, and other asst victoriana punk movements are still #steampunk. #steampunkchat-6:04 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning Clockpunk reporting for duty! #steampunkchat -6:04 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @SelestedeLaney What is biopunk? #steampunkchat-6:04 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 Glasgow kiss for a greeting? hmm#steampunkchat -6:03 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney So, how about we start by talking about the other Punks we love? I’m rather drawn to cyber and bio punk myself#steampunkchat -6:03 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz ’kay! Everyone step forward with a ‘punk. Let’s name and shame ‘em #steampunkchat -6:03 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz You could always headbutt someone while greeting them, that’s fairly punkish. #steampunkchat -6:02 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney @Jenny_Schwartz LOL #steampunkchat -6:02 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 G’day! #steampunkchat tho I fear that lacks the proper punkish greeting -6:02 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney If you want credentials, I write steampunk for Carina Press. Badlands is out now, Clockwork Mafia (book 2) is due in March #steampunkchat -6:01 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 Hi Ho #steampunk and other punks! #steampunkchat-6:01 PM Jun 15th, 2012 SelestedeLaney And it’s time. Welcome, everyone! @Jenny_Schwartzand I are your hostesses, and tonight’s topic is Steam and the Other Punks! #steampunkchat -6:00 PM Jun 15th, 2012 Jenny_Schwartz Welcome to #steampunkchat ! The topic is “Steampunk vs the OTHER punks” We’re looking for a clean fight…um, no… a friendly chat 🙂 -6:00 PM Jun 15th, 2012 artificer13 Seven minutes until #Steampunkchat! Tonite’s topic – Steampunk vs Other “punks” #steampunk -5:53 PM Jun 15th, 2012 MDKenning RT @Jenny_Schwartz: Tweetchat room for#steampunkchat is http://t.co/V0eFFmtS to save you adding#steampunkchat to yr tweets 🙂 -5:50 PM Jun 15th, 2012 jolantru RT @LiaKeyes: 15 minutes till #steampunkchat ”Steampunk vs the OTHER punks” What other punks? http://t.co/aNERGPju Take your pick 🙂 -5:47 PM Jun 15th, 2012 KaelaJael RT @Jenny_Schwartz: Tweetchat room for #steampunkchatis http://t.co/V0eFFmtS to save you adding #steampunkchat to yr tweets 🙂 -5:45 PM Jun 15th, 2012 LiaKeyes 15 minutes till #steampunkchat ”Steampunk vs the OTHER punks” What other punks? http://t.co/aNERGPju Take your pick 🙂 -5:44 PM Jun 15th, 2012

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