Transcript: February 1st 2013: Magic, Mysticism, and the Supernatural in Steampunk

Dust of your Ouija Board and put on your best Mentalist’s Cap- Tonight we discuss

the Role of the Supernatural in Steampunk.

To read the transcript in chronological order, start from the bottom and scroll up.

Update: @artificer13 is manning the helm for #SteampunkChat for the Fall/Winter session.

artificer13 G’night all, it’s been ever so lovely, as always. Thanks for coming to play. #steampunkchat -9:13 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 RT @AirshipVindus: @artificer13 http://t.co/CAzDKzXd Link to YT channel also on that page. Thx so much! #steampunkchat -9:11 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @artificer13 http://t.co/CAzDKzXd Link to YT channel also on that page. Thx so much! #steampunkchat -9:11 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 RT @AirshipVindus: http://t.co/CAzDKzXd Link to YT is also on that page. #steampunkchat -9:11 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @artificer13 I don’t blame you for not doing it every week, but every couple of months would be awesome. #steampunkchat -9:10 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @JulienMcBain Perhaps we’ll have to do that again soon. It used to be 2hr/wk, but was too much for most weeks. #steampunkchat -9:09 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus link? #steampunkchat -9:08 PM Feb 1st, 2013

DelilahSDawson @artificer13 Time is not my forte. That’s why I write alternate world steampunk. 🙂 #steampunkchat -9:08 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @DelilahSDawson Yes, but you brought your delicious nibblies to the party an hour late 😛 LOL #steampunkchat -9:07 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @artificer13 Maybe it’s time for a special 2 Hour edition. #steampunkchat -9:07 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus Oh, one last #shameless plug: please check out our YouTube and Indiegogo! We love sp and we have big ideas for the Vindus. #steampunkchat -9:07 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke opens the pizza door #steampunkchat -9:07 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @DelilahSDawson Yes, but your brought delicious nibblies to the party an hour late 😛 LOL #steampunkchat -9:06 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @DelilahSDawson We can always stay her and prattle. #steampunkchat -9:06 PM Feb 1st, 2013

FebruaryGrace @artificer13 Thanks for hosting, excellent as ever. See you next time! #steampunkchat -9:05 PM Feb 1st, 2013

DelilahSDawson Aw, man. Party over? BUT I BROUGHT LITTLE CRUNCHY QUICHE THINGS. #steampunkchat -9:05 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @tinyhippo1979 Oh dear! Thanks for keeping the light on for this one. _> #steampunkchat -8:37 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke @AirshipVindus is it retro futurist and victorian, although lacking in fantastic tech? #steampunkchat -8:37 PM Feb 1st, 2013

jrrl Hey all. #steampunkchat -8:37 PM Feb 1st, 2013

jordanstratford @wakefieldproof I think it’s this sense of “inevitable materialism”-everything is explicable, that’s 19th c. optimism #steampunkchat -8:37 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @FebruaryGrace @wakefieldproof Unless the point was to just make it so over the top in the first place. #Steampunk Casserole #steampunkchat -8:37 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke @AirshipVindus exactly…. in most stories that combine tech and magic, the mage is the villian #steampunkchat -8:37 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus I wish there’d be more Exploratory stories in SP horror- like “At the Mountains of Madness”

FebruaryGrace @wakefieldproof @JulienMcBain I agree with that. Too many ingredients spoil the soup, as it were. #steampunkchat -8:36 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @wakefieldproof @jordanstratford Well Sherock Holmes was a best seller… #steampunkchat -8:36 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus If it’s magic without tech, is it still steampunk? #steampunkchat -8:36 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke @TerraMysterium 12th night and midsummer night’s dream work wonderfully for that #steampunkchat -8:36 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @SyferLocke Tolkien was an interesting name-drop. The only char who takes active interest in tech is a villain. Saruman. #steampunkchat -8:35 PM Feb 1st, 2013

wakefieldproof @jordanstratford If only fits of eccentric rambling and seclusion could be marketed… #steampunkchat -8:35 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke @wakefieldproof amen #steampunkchat -8:35 PM Feb 1st, 2013

TerraMysterium As theatre company we enjoy exploring occult themes through a Steampunk lens. Always excited to see similar explorations. #steampunkchat -8:34 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @wakefieldproof That’s my take on it; after all, the beauty of writing is exploring the impossible. #steampunkchat -8:34 PM Feb 1st, 2013

wakefieldproof @JulienMcBain But I prefer when they just pick a few things, and stick to it. EVERYTHING doesn’t have to be thrown in. #steampunkchat -8:34 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke @JulienMcBain lots of anime combines magic and machine #steampunkchat -8:34 PM Feb 1st, 2013

jordanstratford @JulienMcBain @wakefieldproof We have to be able to get away with *something*, we have no other marketable skills #steampunkchat -8:33 PM Feb 1st, 2013

wakefieldproof @JulienMcBain That’s a good thing. And probably because they’ve built the world, and who sez they can’t? #steampunkchat -8:33 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @SyferLocke Speaking of Mystical and Steampunk, Full Metal Alchemist, though it had a lackluster story, is fairly #Steampunk #steampunkchat -8:33 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @artificer13 Oh yes. But I was also thinking of Capt. Nemo & early fictional astronauts. You could make up ANYTHING. #steampunkchat -8:33 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke @JulienMcBain privateer press officialy calls it full metal fantasy #steampunkchat -8:32 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @wakefieldproof Authors tend to get a lot more artistic license than most people are given for some reason. Not complaining. #steampunkchat -8:32 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @SyferLocke Yeah, but it’s a magician making a steam powered robot work- they can call it anything they want, it’s #steampunk #steampunkchat -8:31 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer @jordanstratford @terramysterium and Mathers was influenced by Edward Bulwer-Lytton. #steampunkchat -8:31 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @SyferLocke I thought I saw something that said “It’s -steam- not -Steampunk-; though I hardly see the difference. #steampunkchat -8:31 PM Feb 1st, 2013

wakefieldproof In writing SP stories, I think, as long as you set the world, and keep it consistent, you’ll be fine…and write it well #steampunkchat -8:30 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke @artificer13 they rarely refer to it as steampunk tho, which is a shame #steampunkchat -8:30 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus Which is the classic Lovecraft theme- Exploring too far for man’s fragile sanity. #steampunkchat -8:30 PM Feb 1st, 2013

wakefieldproof while not SP, “The Ill-Made Mute” mixed a little magic with machinery #steampunkchat -8:30 PM Feb 1st, 2013

jordanstratford @TerraMysterium Arthur Machen was also a member of the Golden Dawn #steampunkchat -8:30 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus Also, sp is premised on discovery & exploration, which just begs for “here be monsters” stories. Easy occult insertion. #steampunkchat -8:29 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @SyferLocke Iron Kingdoms especially has a very cool tie between magic and machine. #steampunkchat -8:29 PM Feb 1st, 2013

cassiecaine @terramysterium It seems “gothic horror” has a high influence on SP. #steampunkchat -8:29 PM Feb 1st, 2013

jordanstratford @Demon_Writer @TerraMysterium Lovecraft’s redeeming feature was his hypocrisy, both vis a vis racism and occultims #steampunkchat -8:29 PM Feb 1st, 2013

TerraMysterium @Demon Writer Yes, agreed on Lovecraft. Stoker is said to have been a member if the Golden Dawn. I’m curious about others. #steampunkchat -8:28 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke wouldnt mind seeing more tolkien-esque magic in steampunk tho… like eberron and iron kingdoms #steampunkchat -8:28 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer @TerraMysterium Lovecraft seems fairly high on the list, which is ironic considering his view of occultism. #steampunkchat -8:26 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke emily dickinson, too, i think shes pretty grim, burt thought it was including occult #steampunkchat -8:26 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus I wasn’t saying it did- mention was made of Egyptian & Celtic traditions in mystic orders, just tying it in. #steampunkchat -8:26 PM Feb 1st, 2013

jordanstratford @TerraMysterium Absolutely. I deal with that in my novel “Mechanicals” #steampunkchat -8:26 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @artificer13 Haven’t been able to find it recently. I’ll search tomorrow. Loved the story when I read it years ago. #steampunkchat -8:26 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @TerraMysterium Mary Shelley, Bram Stoker, & Lovecraft. Maybe a little Poe. #steampunkchat -8:25 PM Feb 1st, 2013

TerraMysterium Of these historical expressions of the occult, which do you think most color/influence Steampunk currently? #steampunkchat -8:24 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @artificer13 I know! It doesn’t have to be related to Orientalism, is what I’m saying. It’s just the Orient, full stop. #steampunkchat -8:23 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer I believe tradition holds the Daoist alchemists invented both glass and developed almost 100% pure arsenic. #steampunkchat -8:23 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus what’s the name of it? Sounds fascinating. #steampunkchat -8:23 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @AirshipVindus No reason it shouldn’t, it is a typical stereotype that Victoriana is a requirement, but its not. #steampunkchat -8:22 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus Of course they do, I was just saying China especially has a HUGE history w/Alchemy- Especially the Taoists #steampunkchat -8:22 PM Feb 1st, 2013

cassiecaine @airshipvindus YES! We must be mindful not to repeat the past mistakes of cultural appropriation & racism (intentional or not #steampunkchat -8:21 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus Reminds me of an alt history short story: India conquered the world. Reincarnation philosophy + sp tech, no British in sight. #steampunkchat -8:21 PM Feb 1st, 2013

FebruaryGrace @Jenny_Schwartz Thanks so much! Didn’t think I’d make it to chat but I just couldn’t sleep any more. Hoping to last the hour. #steampunkchat -8:20 PM Feb 1st, 2013

MurderousKitten #steampunkchat the orient was pretty neat to them then, and it carried on today! What with manga and whatever. -8:20 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @artificer13 Why can’t the Asians be mystical on their own terms in sp? Not everything must filter thru the Victorians… #steampunkchat -8:20 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz @AirshipVindus Good point! #steampunkchat -8:19 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer @artificer13 Absolutely. The Theosophical Society especially looked into Asian cultures. #steampunkchat -8:19 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke and dont forget egyptology #steampunkchat -8:19 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz @FebruaryGrace Hope you both feel better soon 🙂 #steampunkchat -8:19 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @Demon_Writer of course there’s also t/Victorian love of “Orientalism”- Asia had many of it’s own Alchemists & spiritualists #steampunkchat -8:18 PM Feb 1st, 2013

FebruaryGrace @artificer13 @MurderousKitten Maybe Twitter has the same bug I do. Meh! #slowmoving #steampunkchat -8:18 PM Feb 1st, 2013

cassiecaine Also good to know it’s not my machine that’s lagging on Twitter updates. #steampunkchat -8:18 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus A more modern take: a lot of sp nerds came out of fantasy nerdery. You see why we’d want to overlap our fandoms. #steampunkchat -8:18 PM Feb 1st, 2013

cassiecaine @artificer Then I think there’s room for the mystical, but it’s got to be balanced with the sci-fi well. #steampunkchat -8:17 PM Feb 1st, 2013

MurderousKitten @artificer13 #steampunkchat I noticed! It’s making me annoyed.. -8:17 PM Feb 1st, 2013

P_Creeden @AirshipVindus exactly! 🙂 #steampunkchat -8:16 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer Especially Egypian, Greaco-Roman and Celtic. A lot of this comes out in their occultism. #steampunkchat -8:16 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @MurderousKitten Twitter is lagging a bit tonight, slow to refresh. #steampunkchat -8:16 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @P_Creeden Yeah, alchemy. Pseudoscience applied to a “magical” outcome. Perfect for a transition to mad science. #steampunkchat -8:15 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain Look at the technology of Captain Nemo. Half of it was mystical to begin with #steampunkchat -8:15 PM Feb 1st, 2013

TerraMysterium Groups such as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn & its antecedents certainly espoused spiritual technology & exploration. #steampunkchat -8:15 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer @Jenny_Schwartz The Victorians were into pretty much everything. “Kinky” often doesn’t begin to describe it. #steampunkchat -8:15 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @cassiecaine I guess I’d split that as magic/spirit based vs tech that might be a bit Sci-fi. What do you think about that? #steampunkchat -8:15 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus True enough, and there is certainly some sci-fi tech elements to some of the stories. #steampunkchat -8:14 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Fancier2 RT @Jenny_Schwartz: Surely right from the start (thinking Frankenstein) there’s been a mystical element? #steampunkchat & what about alchemy? -8:14 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz @Demon_Writer List reminds me what a fascinating era Victorian was…not stuffy as portrayed. Exploring #steampunkchat -8:14 PM Feb 1st, 2013

P_Creeden Alchemy & Invention – kinda hand-in-hand for #steampunk, right? #steampunkchat -8:13 PM Feb 1st, 2013

cassiecaine @artificer13 Depends on your definition of mystical. Is it obvious magic stuff or anything that doesn’t work w/ real physics? #steampunkchat -8:13 PM Feb 1st, 2013

MurderousKitten #steampunkchat why was steampunk chat so hard to get to today…? -8:13 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @artificer13 Maybe he didn’t emphasize technology, but he did emphasize heightened reality and the cosmos. Easy transition. #steampunkchat -8:13 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke bram stoker’s dracula, if not frankenstein #steampunkchat -8:13 PM Feb 1st, 2013

wakefieldproof @JulienMcBain Excellent point! #steampunkchat -8:12 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz @artificer13 Good point! I wondered from start of chat if my def’n of mystical would be too broad #steampunkchat Encounter with otherness -8:12 PM Feb 1st, 2013

TerraMysterium I agree with JulienMcBain and affirm Demon Writer. #steampunkchat -8:12 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain Heck, half of “Mad Science” is the mystical applied to science. Probably why it’s mad… #steampunkchat -8:12 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz @wakefieldproof Total agreement! Non-limiting is the appeal for me #steampunkchat -8:11 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @Jenny_Schwartz was Frankenstein mystical, or was it showing the dangers of ‘playing god’ with too much science? #steampunkchat -8:11 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer Alchemy, spiritism, Theosophy, ceremonial magic, secret societies, all of these were popular amongst the Victorians. #steampunkchat -8:11 PM Feb 1st, 2013

wakefieldproof hello all! I do think mystical has a role. Steampunk is so non-limiting #steampunkchat -8:11 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke occultism was huge in the victorian era too #steampunkchat -8:10 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus I’m 1 of those steampunks 😉 . But I’d argue that Lovecraft isn’t a particularly SP writer #steampunkchat -8:10 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain Absolutely does have a role in Steampunk; the mystical was an integral part of Victoriana, which is a key part of our culture #steampunkchat -8:10 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz Surely right from the start (thinking Frankenstein) there’s been a mystical element? #steampunkchat & what about alchemy? -8:10 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke <<< is behind #steampunkchat -8:10 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke yes it does… in so many many possible ways #steampunkchat -8:09 PM Feb 1st, 2013

P_Creeden Nearly forgot again – was watching “Voyage of the Damned” #DoctorWho #steampunkchat -8:09 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus Besides, you try to take HP Lovecraft away from some people’s cold dead steampunk hands. #Steampunkchat -8:08 PM Feb 1st, 2013

P_Creeden I made it! 🙂 #steampunkchat -8:07 PM Feb 1st, 2013

cassiecaine .@artificer13 Is there any reason it shouldn’t? The mystical has had a role in any culture I can think of. #steampunkchat -8:07 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus Does the pope do his business in the woods? #Steampunkchat -8:06 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 .@AirshipVindus lovely, you made it! Wecome everyone! Let’s jump right in. Does the mystical have a role in #steampunk? #steampunkchat -8:05 PM Feb 1st, 2013

FebruaryGrace Almost present and nearly accounted for…a sickly version of my usual self, but I’m here! #steampunkchat -8:04 PM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus Me! For a wonder. This is Lady Jade, FYI. #Steampunkchat -8:04 PM Feb 1st, 2013

TerraMysterium Hello! #steampunkchat -8:04 PM Feb 1st, 2013

thegeo @artificer13 *prods* #steampunkchat -8:03 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 .@cassiecaine @Jenny_Schwartz Hello! #steampunkchat -8:03 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz Hi! #steampunkchat -8:02 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer I’m here. How are you this evening? #steampunkchat -8:01 PM Feb 1st, 2013

cassiecaine Yo. #steampunkchat -8:01 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 Hullo, all. Who do we have aboard tonight? #steampunkchat -8:00 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain @SyferLocke I do! #steampunkchat -7:58 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke @thegeo i dont drink tea… #steampunkchat -7:57 PM Feb 1st, 2013

JulienMcBain Good Evening. #steampunkchat -7:56 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer RT @artificer13: ~5 minutes until #Steampunkchat: tonight we discuss the Supernatural, Magic, and Mysticism in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -7:55 PM Feb 1st, 2013

VonMalcolm RT @artificer13: ~5 minutes until #Steampunkchat: tonight we discuss the Supernatural, Magic, and Mysticism in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -7:55 PM Feb 1st, 2013

thegeo #steampunkchat Has everyone bought teacup holsters from @artificer13 yet? -7:54 PM Feb 1st, 2013

jhameia RT @artificer13: ~5 minutes until #Steampunkchat: tonight we discuss the Supernatural, Magic, and Mysticism in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -7:54 PM Feb 1st, 2013

SyferLocke i actually get to attend this week #steampunkchat -7:54 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz RT @artificer13: ~5 minutes until #Steampunkchat: tonight we discuss the Supernatural, Magic, and Mysticism in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -7:54 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 ~5 minutes until #Steampunkchat: tonight we discuss the Supernatural, Magic, and Mysticism in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -7:53 PM Feb 1st, 2013

MurderousKitten I can’t wait for #steampunkchat tonight -7:37 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer RT @TerraMysterium: Tonite on #Steampunkchat we discuss the Supernatural & Magic in #Steampunk. http://t.co/0KCH5Ejy #steampunkchat -7:31 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Demon_Writer RT @artificer13: 45 minutes until #Steampunkchat: tonight we discuss the Supernatural, Magic, and Mysticism in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB … -7:17 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 45 minutes until #Steampunkchat: tonight we discuss the Supernatural, Magic, and Mysticism in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB … -7:13 PM Feb 1st, 2013

Jenny_Schwartz RT @artificer13: Pack your Ouija board & mentalist’s cap- tonite on #Steampunkchat we discuss the Supernatural & Magic in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -5:21 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 4hrs until #Steampunkchat: tonight we discuss the Supernatural, Magic, and Mysticism in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -3:59 PM Feb 1st, 2013

FebruaryGrace I haz sadz cause I know already that I’m too sick to stay up for #Steampunkchat tonight. Will miss everybody! Wait, it is Friday right? -12:48 PM Feb 1st, 2013

TerraMysterium Tonite on #Steampunkchat we discuss the Supernatural & Magic in #Steampunk. http://t.co/0KCH5Ejy #steampunkchat -12:03 PM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 @AirshipVindus I hope you can make it, they’re lovely fun. Tonight 9pmEST 6pmPST #steampunkchat http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -11:50 AM Feb 1st, 2013

Decimononic RT @artificer13: Pack your Ouija board & mentalist’s cap- tonite on #Steampunkchat we discuss the Supernatural & Magic in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -11:49 AM Feb 1st, 2013

AirshipVindus @artificer13 I’ve managed to miss every #steampunkchat since I discovered its existence. At least 4. 🙁 Perhaps today will be different? -11:19 AM Feb 1st, 2013

artificer13 Pack your Ouija board & mentalist’s cap- tonite on #Steampunkchat we discuss the Supernatural & Magic in #Steampunk. http://t.co/p7p4vbmB -11:17 AM Feb 1st, 2013

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